0:01:03 – Speaker 2
Hello, thank you for joining us. Greetings, welcome. This is Embrace your Storm and we’ve got an awesome episode for you, as always. My name is Jonathan Nadeau. Today we have on two guests. We have a film coming to us from Israel. They submitted to the Tornado Film Festival and it’s called let’s Talk. So we have on today Avner, who is the main actor in this movie, and then we also have Alad, who is the producer and director. So, guys, thanks for coming on today, thank you.
0:01:31 – Speaker 3
Alad, thank you.
0:01:32 – Speaker 2
My pleasure. So, alad, I don’t know if you want to take this question first, but what is the film let’s Talk all about. What are you trying to do with this film?
0:01:46 – Speaker 4
Alad. Your question is what are you doing with this film?
0:01:50 – Speaker 3
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0:02:00 – Speaker 4
You see, he says this movie talks about the obstacles of harsh relationship between two brothers, with the conflict of problems in the family and religion. What I tried to say here is actually the best way to deal with this is to show we all have secrets and conflicts in our own lives with other people. And it’s gonna blow anyway and we should just talk before it blows, before it gets us first.
0:03:08 – Speaker 2
Okay, that’s cool. So did you take or use the topic of religion just because that can be an explosive topic, or is that something you’ve gone through in your own life?
0:03:20 – Speaker 3
Yes, I’m a religious Jew and I’m from a religious family. I didn’t have a vision around the Shabbat tradition as it is in the Bible, when one wants to continue to worship Shabbat and the other doesn’t, although now I feel like listening to the same show as I do in Shabbat. But based on my experience, my约 God can recognize my determination for theطuhan family, my locomotive. Try to understand others as well.
0:03:57 – Speaker 4
He says he’s a religious Jew himself and he never really met the conflict of keeping the Shabbat, other than now when the movie is played in festivals which do screening of Shabbat. So he didn’t really met that conflict before the movie. Now he meets it because of the movie. But he did. He did had some conflict with his brother, his younger brother, and you know in certain level of how much religious and stuff like this.
0:04:41 – Speaker 2
Okay. So, avner, I guess the question for you was there’s something about the script that made you, you know, want to be in this movie or be the you are the main actor in it. Like, what was it about this that caught your eye?
0:04:54 – Speaker 4
Yeah, the first thing that caught my eye was the scene we got today for the addition. It was a scene in which I think I’m right about the scene that we are doing, the scene where I found out my brother just became a religion and what I like so much about it was how vulnerable he was in that moment. I could see he’s fighting him, but also I could see his pain and how scared he is from the chain that will happen to his brother and what would be with his family, and I could see that and I could see it also in my big brother that always tried to protect me and stuff like this. I could really see his fears and I could understand it. So that caught me mostly.
0:06:00 – Speaker 2
Now, when you say that in this script, that his brother found religion, was his brother going from Judaism to Christianity. Is that what you mean?
0:06:09 – Speaker 4
No, in Israel we have religious Jews, live very different lives from the unreligious, so he became a Bal Chuba.
0:06:23 – Speaker 2
I see, okay, okay.
0:06:26 – Speaker 4
And also the father in the movie went religious a few years back and it separated their families. So the conflict is really about their past and his fears from this thing happening again. It’s already the fear that this conflict will break the remaining of his family, the last remaining of his family.
0:06:56 – Speaker 2
Okay, so when?
0:07:01 – Speaker 3
And the relationship between religious religions is something that today in Israel, is in the sea and the truth is something that is very different.
0:07:09 – Speaker 4
today, in the context of the year, yeah, it says that the conflict between religious Jews and unreligious Jews now in Israel is a huge thing. The politics and everything just kind of turned everyone against each other, Wow. And now it’s way more big of a topic to talk between ourselves as citizens and as brothers of the same nation as when we filmed. It wasn’t so important and so live and exploding in the Israel society, but now it’s really a big thing. There’s like huge drama around all this exact stuff.
0:08:01 – Speaker 2
Could you give like one example maybe of like what an extreme would be from, like, a religious Jew to a non-religious Jew, like what’s kind of a topic that they would disagree about or fight about?
0:08:15 – Speaker 3
The social reform that is seen in the democratic sector and that is seen in the democratic establishment that actually, in this case, is the democratic state, the Jewish state and everyone else.
0:08:28 – Speaker 4
So now it’s what you said is. Now it’s about. We have like a just system reform that the government trying to pull through, which would make Israel way more religious. So for unreligious Jews it’s like they think it’s the end of democracy and for religious Jews it’s like the beginning of democracy.
0:08:54 – Speaker 2
Wow, that’s interesting.
0:08:56 – Speaker 4
Yeah, but I think you also meant like in the day-to-day life.
0:09:01 – Speaker 2
Yeah, kind of. Yeah, maybe like what’s kind of a topic where a religious Jew and a non-religious Jew would kind of argue about not in the street yelling at each other, but what’s kind of a topic where they’re just that opposite ends of the spectrum.
0:09:17 – Speaker 4
Yeah. So I think the movie really shows it very well that there is really nothing to fight about or to have any problem with, because we do live in the same world and we do talk the same language. It’s just about the misunderstanding we have between each other because of the separation.
0:09:40 – Speaker 3
And then we’re the same thing.
0:09:43 – Speaker 4
And fears and emotional. How do you say like bags, you know, like bags of emotion, that we carry with ourselves throughout our lives. So it’s mostly like that and that, basically, and that’s what the movie is really about. It’s basically just that none, and we don’t really communicate here.
0:10:09 – Speaker 2
Right, hence why the.
0:10:11 – Speaker 4
We don’t talk.
0:10:12 – Speaker 2
Well, hence why the movie is called let’s Talk. It’s like let’s have this conversation instead of, you know, fighting and being against one another. Yeah, exactly.
0:10:29 – Speaker 3
So what you said now is that it’s like in the movie it stands, you know, with the movie, you know with a big brother and younger brother and the flat tire and everything, but it’s just for a lad.
0:11:00 – Speaker 4
It’s like a metaphor for just what we talked about before, like that’s the reason why this movie is going so well to so many festivals around the world because the universal truth it has within it. It’s about more than just you know the 20 minutes where you’re going through with this story and what the character is going through.
0:11:33 – Speaker 3
But one more thing is that what still goes on and is still going on is that the story is going to be in itself, in our relationships between religions and non-d religions on the set and all the other things that were born.
0:11:47 – Speaker 4
Yeah, and it says the beauty of it, of the production, was the connection that’s been made between un-religions and religious Jews, because I’m, for example, I’m not a religion and the conversation that came out of those situations, you know, we really found ourselves talking about like, what does it mean to be religious really, and what’s the difference between us and how would it bother me in any way? You know.
0:12:12 – Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah not like Surely. Yeah, not like.
0:12:16 – Speaker 3
Because in the end it’s not as difficult to talk about. But it doesn’t seem like a demon, it seems like a human being.
0:12:24 – Speaker 4
Because in the end, the point is not that we would agree or live the same way, but the point is to see the other person and to be able to communicate and, you know, find a way to live together.
0:12:39 – Speaker 2
Absolutely. Yeah, no, I love the premise behind this film. Like one question I kind of skipped because I was interested into getting into the topic of the film. But, avner, maybe I’ll start with you. Like, what made you want to get into film in general as kind of like your outlet for creativity? Like what brought you down the road that you’re on now in acting and stuff like that, how did you get started?
0:13:05 – Speaker 4
I really don’t. I don’t think I think my answer changes all along the way. I had many answers in my life, but now my point of view is just. You know it’s. It happens to me when my brother, my father, died. Before that I was actually an athlete and for some reason it stopped when my father died, and after that I just found my way in a very. I didn’t intend to become an actor, it wasn’t what I wanted. I just went for a couple of lessons and then I found out that, basically for me, acting is the language of life.
It’s the way people operate, and it’s point of view is exactly the same point of view I always had in the world, which is, you know, people are motivated by many stuff and most of the time they are not even in control about motivates them. And that just came. I kind of fell in love with this perspective of life and with the idea of being able to reflect human nature and being able to find my truth in every living person I’ll get to meet from now on. It kind of sent me on this journey of search in humans, in people, to find their true self, the things that motivate them, why they operate the way they operate, why they talk the way they talk. And for me it’s basically my connection to this planet, to humanity, because I never really felt like I’m a part of this. In many ways, acting for me is like the language we can all talk, we can all see each other through acting through. Do you get what I’m trying to say?
0:15:14 – Speaker 2
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. Have you done any?
0:15:18 – Speaker 3
And Avner is very good in his.
0:15:26 – Speaker 2
A lad had to throw in some English for that Avner. He had to make sure he had the compliments.
0:15:31 – Speaker 4
Thank you very much.
0:15:35 – Speaker 2
Before I jump over to a lad Avner, have you done any? Do you strictly do acting? Have you done any kind of writing or producing or anything like that?
0:15:42 – Speaker 4
Yeah, I’m writing now a movie. Yeah, I’m in the process of writing a very big movie which I can produce for at least the next two years. I guess, oh wow, with Need, much more than what I can get now. But I am writing and I’m painting, you know, and I’m playing music and I write poetry also.
I just try to Again. For me that’s the language I can use, because otherwise I don’t really know how to express to other people, how to make them understand the way I experience life and the way I experience them.
0:16:24 – Speaker 2
I hear you. I mean, creativity is very powerful and that’s kind of what this podcast is about, where I’ve explained to people that, you know, creativity is great for those times where people say, oh, I’m so angry I don’t even know what to say, or I’m so upset I can’t even explain to you how upset I am. And that’s where creativity comes in, because you pour yourself into that creative value and you extend yourself into that and you no longer need words. You can, you know, like your painting or whatever, like that’s the expression of how you feel, and so you can communicate through your creativity that way.
0:17:02 – Speaker 4
Yeah, exactly.
0:17:03 – Speaker 2
Yeah.
0:17:04 – Speaker 4
And acting what I like so much about acting, the reason why actor is what I want to become and not the director or anything else, because as an actor I can’t judge anything, you know I must accept the way that human operates. I must forgive for all of these scenes and accept it as if it was mine.
0:17:24 – Speaker 1
Wow, and through that I see myself yeah.
0:17:27 – Speaker 4
And I see other people who they truly are. Because I can’t judge any character I want to play. I can feel sorry for them, or sad or happy, yeah.
I need to understand like this human really does exist, which is also like the meaning of this movie. You know, those people just exist, you know, in their own world. We all exist in our own world and if an art is a language that makes us get out of our own world and meet, you know, in the middle. Exactly, and then we’ll have a dialogue, yeah exactly. So a lot.
0:18:06 – Speaker 2
How did you get started in all this? What made you want to start in the kind of the film industry you’re creating through film itself?
0:18:14 – Speaker 3
Magamil at Kate’s a bit cool. No, yeah, okay, but I think I’ll just have to think more about wanting to sort of look at it some of the way. But yeah, not sure, eh At all, maybe just television. Illes sort of came out of that situation. All right, good, yeah, sure, I told him tonight that he wanted to start a film, yeah, of course, in New York, south America, andos as well, norway.
0:18:42 – Speaker 4
He’s been filming many things since he was 10 when his father brought home the camera, and he even remembers in kindergarten he used to direct and tell you know he directs other kids at the operating stuff, and so he says he doesn’t know what to say. He says it’s true, he even has photos and he said so. It’s hard for him to explain why he started, because for him it’s who he is.
0:19:18 – Speaker 2
Yeah, it sounds like it was always in him.
0:19:22 – Speaker 3
I can say that as long as I grew up, I really liked the movies in the language of the past, even here among people. The political scene that you feel that you’re alive in the world of the past and people don’t. You’re not in the same. There’s no way to give yourself, and the whole thing is a way to express thoughts and feelings. And much more than words, it’s the visual images. That’s the thing that I’m most excited about here that even people who, even in the Italian festival there were people who didn’t understand English at all and the writings were in English, people from the countries around the world, and they understood the movie. Because they understood what? Because they were talking about. He talks about the language, he talks about the visual and then the words he said were there. They also got it.
0:20:17 – Speaker 4
So again he goes into this topic of he did what pushed him towards this direction. More is the fact that he felt the same about language and the difference we have between each other. It speaks about a certain time in Israel which a few settlements were evacuated because of political and you know how do you say? Anyway, it was just, it was just politics and stuff that made and also Israel doesn’t really know if the land is theirs.
It’s like a problem in Israel and they evacuated few settlements and he was really connected to these people and he felt like he couldn’t even express himself to explain the pain or the suffering people are going through, because of that and because there’s no language to connect and to contribute to our society and to unite us. So that’s what pushed him towards, I guess, filming, and this idea specifically, yeah. I mean oh yeah and he says, like what he likes about this movie is the fact that it has many. How do you say?
0:21:54 – Speaker 1
like.
0:21:58 – Speaker 4
When you don’t really have much text but you do have, like, movement and yeah, there’s not much dialogue, but there’s a lot of like.
0:22:06 – Speaker 2
Action is the wrong word, but I understand what you’re saying yeah, I understand what you’re saying.
0:22:11 – Speaker 4
So he says in Italy. Many people didn’t even know English so they didn’t understand the text, but they did get the idea through the movie itself.
0:22:21 – Speaker 2
Absolutely.
0:22:25 – Speaker 4
And so for him it’s like the representation of what he tried to do. Exactly Language was not even important anymore, because you just get connected to it.
0:22:38 – Speaker 2
Yeah, no, that’s great. Like I said, it’s a wonderful film and I thank you guys so much for submitting it. Is there any kind of like final words you want to give to the audience? Like Avanor, do you have any kind of advice, maybe for young expiring actors? Or you know people wanting to get into film Like, do you have any suggestions or things they should do to get involved?
0:23:02 – Speaker 4
Um, you know, I don’t really consider myself as one to give it too much advice, but I can say is I believe in being who I am and I believe in truth, and all the advice that I can give to anybody is just search for the answer inside yourself. You would find you know who you are better than everybody else, and also I think that also this movie represented in some ways is that you don’t need to search for answers in other people.
0:23:39 – Speaker 2
That’s true too.
0:23:40 – Speaker 4
That they know stuff and they have opinions about stuff. But mostly most of the people feel just like you know everyone else, like they don’t really know anything, and most people feel uncomfortable and stuff. So what I believe is if you’re searching inside yourself and if you listen good to what’s going on around you, you’ll find the answers you need and the right, the right way to operate, or move on in life and you know, as an actor and everything, just to be, to be good at being and to be listening all the time.
0:24:19 – Speaker 2
Absolutely. You know what I’m gonna. You put that really well. That was well said, alad how about Alad?
0:24:24 – Speaker 1
how about?
0:24:25 – Speaker 2
yourself Like do you have any advice? For people that want to get involved or, you know, get into producing and directing.
0:24:30 – Speaker 3
I think the thing that helped me the most today and I hope to continue to help in the future Even Avner knows we are in a project that I am in the hands of their writing it is to work with what is always there. I don’t know, I’m feeling it all the time. Always there is a call, always there are. Let’s continue with how to work with art and not to do anything good. And let’s be honest, how do I be here towards this project? Meaning not by facing all the and I have two festivals in the world and now I have two festivals, so for them to have a chance to meet people and themselves is to work with what is there what is?
there and with that to make the next step.
0:25:42 – Speaker 4
So what he said basically was work with what you have. He says there are many obstacles in the way and a lot of criticism, and criticism about ourselves. He speaks about this movie. We didn’t have any kind of foundation or no support, and yet this movie goes around the world and gets prizes and people see this movie and comes with tears to a lot, and that’s our story.
We felt the same and find their own connection. So, even though there’s obstacles and criticism and all the things you think you can’t do, just look at what you have and try to work with that. That’s what you can basically.
0:26:43 – Speaker 2
I was going to say. It really kind of lines up with what you were saying, where you said you can find the answer within yourself. And a lot of saying. You know what if outside people are saying don’t do this or whatever? You still need to look within and do what you think is the truth.
0:27:02 – Speaker 3
I can still know it.
0:27:04 – Speaker 4
He said it has goosebumps.
He likes the situation. Yeah, and more than that. Even if you think you don’t really have anything, you do have some and just use that and try to. The truth does come through this movie and we filmed it in two days, just in 24 hours. We filmed the entire movie and it was all under pressure of time and light and wind and everything, and yet it came that way out. So what he’s saying is just do it. If you have an idea which is important to share and to produce, just do it, Absolutely.
0:27:56 – Speaker 2
Gentlemen, thank you so much for your time. Thank you so much for this wonderful film and your work on it. Thank you all the time.
0:28:04 – Speaker 3
Thank you.
0:28:04 – Speaker 2
Jenna yeah, no, it’s my pleasure to have you guys on and anytime you guys come up with something else, definitely let me know. I’d love to have you back on again. Yeah, but it’s a wonderful film that’s going to be at the tornado film festival and guys, thank you so much for your time and any last words for the audience.
0:28:25 – Speaker 4
Talk.
0:28:28 – Speaker 2
Yeah, actually, you know what that’s the best way to put it out, and right there let’s talk. Yeah communicate Absolutely and Alad again, thank you so much, my friend, for all of your work on this and your vision on this. Thank you.
0:28:42 – Speaker 3
Thank you.
0:28:49 – Speaker 4
I don’t know exactly how to say, maybe like it’s like a wisdom. It’s like it’s a wisdom to find a movie name which is also a slang, that you can be.
0:29:02 – Speaker 2
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.
0:29:05 – Speaker 4
Totally.
0:29:08 – Speaker 2
Let’s talk, all right, all right. Well, everyone, thank you for listening. Thank you for downloading. We’ll see you next time. Tornado with Jonathan Nado.
0:29:16 – Speaker 1
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